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The team behind the title

What only a lawyer should do.

Cetera’s legal department built something that answers the questions which never needed a lawyer. The harder work was deciding which questions those are. Lisa Gok and her leaders in one department across two coasts, 600 colleagues who stopped waiting, and the judgment they refuse to automate.

Lisa Gok, Chief Legal Officer, and the Cetera Legal team
El Segundo and New York

With Winnie Lee, Jaime Guerrero and Carol Lee
Lisa Gok with members of the Cetera Legal team in El Segundo
El SegundoOctober 2026
Cetera Legal One department. Two coasts. Twenty-six people. One instruction. 15 minutes

The problem started as a filing cabinet. Before any of this, Cetera Legal kept fifty-state surveys on the handful of topics that kept coming back. Hundreds of advisor-facing operations colleagues used them. Every time a state changed its law, the surveys needed updating and redistributing, which meant the accuracy of the whole system depended on whether the right version reached the right desk.

Lisa Gok, Cetera’s Chief Legal Officer, is precise about the failure mode that creates. “There was room for manual error if our operations team was reviewing an older version or if there was turnover and new colleagues either didn’t have access or had prior versions of the surveys,” she says.

Nobody was doing anything wrong. That is what made it worth solving. So when AI began heating up and Cetera’s internal technology teams started building, her department recognized the shape of its own problem in the new tooling. Not a technology experiment, in her framing. A recurring operational challenge: how to give people accurate, consistent answers to common legal questions quickly, without adding legal risk.

The result is a tool the department calls Legal Beagle. The interesting part is not that it exists. It is where they decided to draw its edge.

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In a regulated business, speed is valuable, but certainty matters more. We use AI to accelerate access to established guidance, not to replace legal judgment. Legal Beagle handles routine, repeatable questions. When a matter becomes fact-specific, judgment-driven, or potentially precedent-setting, it moves to a lawyer. The goal is not to automate legal reasoning; it is to reserve legal reasoning for the situations where it creates the most value.

Lisa Gok, Chief Legal Officer, Cetera Financial Group

That passage is the whole department in miniature. It also explains why the build decision went the way it did.

“We deliberately prioritized accuracy over creativity. Our users need a tool that consistently delivers the right answer which is why we chose to build Legal Beagle on a definitive legal library. That focus on reliability is what gives our legal team confidence in Legal Beagle.”

Lisa Gok
Legal Beagle · since full deployment, May 2026
600+employees using the tool
450+legal questions in a two-month window
100+that would otherwise have gone straight to the legal department

Gok is careful not to oversell what that means. “The value is not in replacing legal analysis, it is in providing immediate access to established guidance on common issues,” she says. Straightforward questions resolve faster, and attorneys spend their hours where judgment is actually required.

The view from the top of the company frames it the same way.

From the chief executive

“Legal Beagle represents a practical example of innovation serving the business. Lisa and her team saw a recurring need across the organization and leveraged AI to make trusted legal guidance easier to access. The result helps our team move faster with more consistency, while giving our attorneys more time for the complex matters that need their judgment. That balance matters. It shows how Lisa leads: close to the business, clear about risk and focused on actionable outcomes.”

Mike Durbin, Chief Executive Officer, Cetera

I. One department, two coasts

A tool that routes the easy questions only works if somebody has decided how the hard ones get handled. At Cetera that decision was made structurally, and early. Gok’s department is split between El Segundo and New York, and in her first ninety days she concluded that geography was not going to be allowed to define it. One legal department, shared accountability, shared pride in the outcome. What she was not going to build was the smartest lawyers sitting in separate offices.

Her standard for that is a phrase her team has heard often enough to finish for her: you have to be willing to wash windows. Nobody gets to put a box around the job. If the business has a problem, they solve it. If something falls outside the traditional area of expertise, they learn it.

And she is exacting about where the standard originates. “I would never ask a member of my team to do something I wouldn’t do myself,” she says. “The lesson I learned early at Cetera was that culture is built when leaders demonstrate that no job is beneath them.”

The company has its own phrase for the same instinct, one of its leadership principles, Act Like an Owner. “Owners don’t focus on where their responsibilities end,” Gok says. “They focus on what the business needs to succeed.”

The Cetera Legal team in El Segundo
The Cetera Legal team, El Segundo. Back row, from left: David Van Havermaat, Jeremy Bledsoe, Kasey Kagawa, Harshan Shanthakumar and Eric Pinciss. Front row: Jaime Guerrero, Michael Vacca, Lisa Gok, Leydi Betancourth and Gustavo Escalante.

II. The matters do not arrive in one discipline

Follow her for a week and the surprise, she says, is the overlap. Her leaders cover M&A and corporate transactions, litigation and arbitration, regulatory and securities matters, employment, and governance. Depending on the week you would also find people on advisor issues, commercial contracts, and strategic work tied to one of the acquisitions or new initiatives. But the matters that matter most rarely arrive neatly packaged inside a single legal discipline.

A recent acquisition is the example she reaches for. On paper, an M&A transaction. In practice it pulls in nearly the entire department at once: transaction lawyers structuring and negotiating, regulatory lawyers on licensing and disclosure and integration, litigators assessing legacy risk, employment lawyers on workforce and retention, governance lawyers supporting board approvals. All of it running alongside compliance, finance, operations, technology, communications and executive leadership.

“We are specialists, but we don’t behave like specialists.”

Lisa Gok

Which is also, she notes, why acquisitions succeed or fail on something other than expertise. “The outcome is determined less by any one expert and more by how effectively the group works together.”

III. Learning to speak SEC

Gok came to this from the other side of the table. Eleven years at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, in Washington and then Los Angeles, ultimately as an Assistant Regional Director in the Los Angeles office, working financial fraud, Ponzi schemes and market misconduct. The category of matter where the damage is already done and the job is to understand how.

What survived the move is less the law than the reasoning, something she describes as learning to “speak SEC.” How regulators assess risk, what they prioritize, and what genuinely matters once a matter is stripped back to investor protection. Going in-house in 2005 was not a retreat from public service. It was curiosity aimed at the other half of the same equation.

Lisa Gok, Chief Legal Officer, Cetera Financial Group

“At the SEC, you see the consequences when controls fail. Going in-house gave me the chance to help design those controls, influence business decisions earlier, and work alongside leaders who were trying to grow responsibly in a highly regulated environment.”

Lisa Gok, Chief Legal Officer

El Segundo, October 2026 · Gina Sabatella Photography

She knew what she would have to relearn. As a regulator you analyze facts and decide with a degree of independence. In-house, legal advice is one input among operations, product, finance, customer experience and growth. “The best in-house lawyers are not simply legal experts,” she says. “They are problem solvers, collaborators, and business partners.”

IV.

The bench

A department that refuses to work in silos is easier to describe than to staff. Three of the leaders who staff it, in their own words.

Deputy General Counsel · New York

Winnie Lee

Winnie Lee runs corporate for Cetera: mergers and acquisitions, business support, special projects and financing, plus a team working across bank networking, growth projects and corporate governance. She joined in 2021 from Fir Tree Partners, and before that Morgan Stanley, Bank of America and Lehman Brothers, with a start at Nixon Peabody.

What she names as her proudest stretch is a change in kind rather than degree. Over the past eighteen months her role evolved from leading large-scale transactions to also helping shape the firm’s growth trajectory, capital structure and long-term strategic initiatives. “I am most proud that I have become a strategic enterprise leader and not just a legal advisor in the past 18 months,” she says.

“Some folks think that we just draft documents, but my team does so much more than that. We are true partners in the business, constantly helping with creative solutioning and structuring of transactions to achieve our end result.”

Associate General Counsel, Risk and Regulatory · El Segundo

Jaime Guerrero

Guerrero arrived shortly after the first of three significant cyber intrusions that produced fraudulent trading activity and financial losses. He helped coordinate the internal investigation, managed outside counsel and forensic investigators, responded to federal authorities and regulators, and worked the recovery and insurance coverage side. He is also the legal department’s representative on AI governance and enterprise risk management.

His background reads like three careers pointed at one problem: Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Central District of California, then white-collar defense and compliance partner at an international firm, then VP of Global Compliance at a multinational medical device company. The misconception he wants corrected is that regulatory and investigations lawyers are reactive. “Our goal is to avoid issues in the first place by being good business partners,” he says. And the output is not what people expect: “Our work product is not merely legal advice; rather, it is a risk-informed judgment.”

“The focus was never on assigning blame. The focus was on understanding what happened, protecting customers, meeting our obligations, and helping the company navigate a complex situation.”

Senior Counsel · New York

Carol Lee

Carol Lee came to Cetera in 2019 from the University of California’s health care system, where she worked as a privacy specialist. Her coverage now runs across four areas: bank networking, the agreements that let Cetera firms offer investment services to the clients and members of banks and credit unions; growth, working with Cetera’s recruiting teams to onboard advisors while managing the risk; succession planning, which maps how clients and accounts move when a financial professional dies, becomes disabled or retires; and business support, her catchall for anything that needs a legal read.

The work she is proudest of sits on the growth side, partnering with Cetera’s growth teams to improve organic growth and smooth the onboarding of individual advisors, ensembles and financial institutions. That has meant finding creative solutions to historic impediments to recruiting, enhancing existing agreements and creating repeatable processes “so Cetera can operate at scale.” A lot of it happens in the room. “We have folks from all divisions of Legal sitting in Legal’s offices,” she says, so much of the department’s guidance is “the result of collaboration between multiple attorneys with different areas of expertise.”

“Within many organizations, the Legal department has a reputation for hindering business, but at Cetera, Legal takes a collaborative approach where we work with internal business teams to identify workable solutions that still fit within the parameters set by applicable laws and regulations.”

The Cetera Legal team in the lobby of the El Segundo office
The Cetera Legal team in the courtyard of the El Segundo office
The Cetera Legal team at the El Segundo office, October 2026.

V. What earns the word partner

Gok uses the phrase trusted partner carefully, and has a clear test for it.

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A trusted partner is someone who understands that their job is not simply to answer the question they were asked. Their job is to help me solve the problem I am trying to solve.

Lisa Gok

Three qualities, in her telling. They understand the business well enough to give practical advice rather than merely technically correct advice. They are willing to tell her what she needs to hear rather than what she wants to hear. And they act like owners, caring about the outcome as much as her team does.

The line a merely good advisor never crosses is the one between expertise and partnership. A good advisor identifies risks, cites regulations, explains market conditions. A trusted partner evaluates tradeoffs, holds the broader objective in view, and stays invested long after the advice is delivered. She also looks for intellectual honesty, and for people comfortable saying they don’t know, or showing where the risk really is. “They don’t create complexity to demonstrate their value,” she says. “They bring clarity. They make the people around them better decision-makers.”

The bench she describes is deliberately multidisciplinary: outside counsel, regulatory and compliance advisors, M&A advisors, insurance and risk specialists, technology and cybersecurity, employment and benefits, litigation, and consultants who understand wealth management. And, just as importantly, internal leaders in compliance, finance, operations, technology and human resources. The ones who make the biggest difference, she says, are the ones who create alignment. “They anticipate issues, communicate candidly, and focus on solutions rather than ownership of individual workstreams.”

In their words

The counsel who work alongside her

Partner
“My team and I have had the privilege of working with Lisa and her team for over ten years now. They truly set the gold standard. Cetera is incredibly fortunate to have Lisa at the helm. She is not only exceptionally intelligent and decisive, but also a pleasure to work with. I greatly value our partnership.”
Lou SpadaforaFounding Partner, Winget, Spadafora & Schwartzberg, LLPwssllp.com
Partner
“I’ve worked with Lisa for about a decade, and what has always impressed me is the combination of her distinguished background and her very practical approach to litigation. She never loses sight of the business realities behind a case. She looks beyond the immediate dispute and considers what a decision may mean for the company down the road. That perspective is reflected in the way she leads her litigation team, setting a clear direction while drawing on the experience and judgment of the people around her. Lisa and her team are pragmatic in their handling of each matter, knowing when a case can and should be resolved and when it needs to proceed to trial or arbitration.”
Chad WeaverPartner, Freeman Mathis & Garyfmglaw.com
Partner
“Working with Lisa and her team has been a tremendous advantage. It is rare to find a client with such a strong understanding of risk management, litigation, and insurance as an integrated whole. That level of insight allows me to develop a more comprehensive and effective insurance program, tailored to protect Cetera across the many facets of its business operations. Lisa and her team do an especially good job of bringing together legal, operational, and business perspectives. That allows them to spot potential exposures early and address them in a way that supports the broader objectives of the organization.”
Robert ErzenArea Executive Vice President, Gallagherajg.com
Partner
“I’ve known and worked with Lisa Gok for almost 20 years. She’s a pleasure to work with. Lisa’s whip-smart, has great business acumen, off the chart legal knowledge and judgment, and sound risk management instincts and decision-making. I always look forward to Lisa’s next call.”
Gary M. SaretskyPartner, Saretsky Hart Michaels + Gould PCsaretsky.com
“I have known and worked with Lisa for more than 20 years. During that time, Lisa has consistently demonstrated leadership going well beyond a typical in-house legal function. She is a trusted counselor and advisor to business executives. She combines vast legal knowledge with practical advice to meet client objectives. Lisa is also particularly known for her efforts to manage her outside counsel relationships in a collective and collaborative manner, leading to greater coordination and efficiencies for the client. And perhaps most importantly, Lisa is simply a really good person. She is kind and thoughtful, and she has been a wonderful business partner for many years.”
James V. GarveyShareholder, Vedder
“Lisa’s entire legal team is a well-oiled machine. Their cohesiveness and camaraderie enhance the atmosphere of excellence that they bring to the practice of law and the commitment to servicing their internal clients. They walk the walk when it comes to partnering with their outside counsel and often carry those relationships beyond the legal forum into genuine friendships. It is a pleasure to work with each and every member of Cetera’s Legal Dept. Kudos to Lisa!”
Phillip M. GoldbergPartner, Foley & Lardner LLP
“Lisa is a talented leader. Her extensive experience, both in senior management positions at the SEC and in-house, provides her with unique insight, knowledge, and judgment, which allows her to best position Cetera with its regulators and the industry. She has built an extraordinary legal team–first in class, which allows her to effectively delegate decision-making and resolution of regulatory matters. While their experience and judgment allow them to operate independently, which leverages the entire legal team’s effectiveness, they know when to involve Lisa in key decisions. Working with Lisa and her team as outside counsel is truly a collaborative partnership. Trust and respect go both ways and make working with Lisa and her legal team a pleasure. Congratulations to Lisa and her team!”
Emily GordyPartner, King & Spalding LLP
“What stands out about Lisa’s team on the litigation, dispute resolution, and regulatory side is how practical they are. They have all tried cases themselves, so they come at a dispute with business insight and a real understanding of what goes into it. We talk about partnering with the in-house legal department because we are all representing the same client, and their business considerations are always at the fore. A win is not going in and showing how great you are; it is coming back to their business partners and saying, this is how we handled it. Lisa’s team has a really good feel for when to try a case and when not to. There is no micromanagement. After a while they anticipate you and you anticipate them, and that makes for a really good partnership.”
John P. KincadeManaging Principal, Texas, Bressler Amery & Ross, P.C.
“I first met Lisa at a SIFMA conference not long after she came to Cetera, and I have been impressed with her judgment ever since. She delegates liberally and gives her team complete confidence, but she also gives very good guidance on the cases. On the defense side there is always a bit of triage: is this a defensible matter, or is this something we need to resolve? Lisa is very good at seeing that big picture, figuring out how to get a matter resolved efficiently, and moving forward with it.”
Donald R. LittlefieldBressler Amery & Ross, P.C.
“Lisa brings exceptional judgment and clarity to complex matters, and she leads with a decisiveness that sets the tone for her entire team. As outside counsel, I’ve seen firsthand how prepared and aligned everyone is on priorities. Lisa’s leadership elevates what is already a collaborative and successful partnership.”
Manuel A. MirandaWillkie Farr & Gallagher LLP
“Lisa is a remarkable leader, a talented attorney, and a strategic, creative thinker whose practical approach and business acumen has benefitted not only her firm but the attorneys who have been fortunate enough to work with her over the years. It has been my pleasure to work with her for so many years and to get to know her not only as the remarkable executive she is but as a good friend.”
Elaine M. RicePartner, Johnson, Newlon & DeCort, P.A.

VI. The year ahead

Ask the department what is coming and the answers converge. Guerrero frames the shift plainly: “AI governance is moving from an innovation discussion to a legal, regulatory, and risk-management discussion.” Inventories, intake processes, control ownership, documented approvals, audit readiness. The focus is increasingly on defensibility and governance rather than simply deploying new tools. Alongside it, cyber threats keep evolving, and legal keeps being asked what must be reported, to whom, and what remediation follows.

Winnie Lee’s answer is transactional and concrete. Advise and help structure strategic enterprise-wide initiatives and projects, day-to-day business support, closing M&A and bank networking transactions, and building more of the programs that improve the advisor experience.

Carol Lee’s starts from the market. “The broker-dealer and RIA space remains competitive,” she says, so her group’s job is to keep guiding Cetera’s business teams with the same collaborative approach, “in order to maximize growth and retention.”

Three vantage points, one underlying instruction.

Decide what actually needs a lawyer. Then make sure a lawyer is the one who gets it.

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The full department

Cetera Legal

Twenty-six people across eight offices, led from El Segundo and New York. Every member of the department is recognized here.

Lisa GokChief Legal OfficerEl Segundo, CA
Carol LeeSenior CounselNew York, NY
Claudia SmithExecutive AssistantEl Segundo, CA
David FeldsteinAssociate General CounselNew York, NY
David Van HavermaatDeputy General CounselEl Segundo, CA
Derek JoostemaParalegalNew York, NY
Elena KostadinovPrivacy AnalystEl Segundo, CA
Eric PincissAssociate General CounselEl Segundo, CA
Gustavo EscalanteChief of StaffEl Segundo, CA
Harshan ShanthakumarSenior CounselEl Segundo, CA
Jaime GuerreroAssociate General CounselEl Segundo, CA
Jeff NewmanAssociate General CounselNew York, NY
Jennifer WangSenior CounselDallas, TX
Jeremy BledsoeSenior CounselEl Segundo, CA
Kasey KagawaCounselEl Segundo, CA
Leydi BetancourthParalegalEl Segundo, CA
Marasia JordanSenior CounselNew York, NY
Mark QuinnHead of Regulatory AffairsLas Vegas, NV
Michael VaccaSenior CounselEl Segundo, CA
Nicole DeWallSenior Community Contracts SpecialistSt Cloud, MN
Rob ManzoParalegalNew York, NY
Sandi LavenantSenior Corporate Governance AnalystMadison, AL
Scott KirwinDeputy General CounselBoston, MA
Tom VaysDeputy General CounselNew York, NY
Tran LyAdministrative AssistantSan Diego, CA
Winnie LeeDeputy General CounselNew York, NY

Names, titles and offices as supplied by Cetera Legal.

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